Part 1:麦子钱包，Beep币扑特邀主持人陆遥远对话OpenSea创始工程师Joshua Wu

嘉宾：Joshua Wu， OpenSea创始成员

主持人：陆遥远，NFT 收藏家，麦子钱包产品经理

分享时间：2020年1月10日16:00

Plan B：Beep重磅打造的一档原生大V对话区块链大咖的线上AMA节目

导语：2019年被不少人称为DeFi元年，相比之下，曾经大热的NFT（Non-Fungible Token）和区块链游戏似乎已经褪去了明星光环。然而不久前Gods Unchained交易量激增，甚至超过CryptoKitties 2017年顶峰时期的交易量，还是或多或少给陷入低谷的“拓荒者”们带来了些许希望。NFT为什么还没有爆发？加密数字藏品是否有可能与DeFi结合？跨游戏资产复用的难点到底在哪里？1月10日下午4点，Beep币扑诚邀麦子钱包产品经理陆遥远和海带，分别对话OpenSea创始成员Joshua和SpiderStore CEO肖华，为大家带来一场思想碰撞盛宴

OpenSea简介：

OpenSea 成立于 2018 年 1 月，目前全球最大的加密数字藏品市场 。涵盖最广泛的类别、最多的可转让数字藏品，以及最优惠的价格。OpenSea 通过一个充满热情的用户和开发者社区做到这一点。他们与游戏开发商合作，为用户创建可自定义的线上店铺，以自动购买、销售他们的加密藏品。

问题一:在加密数字藏品的交易活动中是怎么定位 Opensea 的，充当的角色更倾向于哪种？Opensea的竞争优势是什么？您认为 Opensea 目前有什么不足之处？

How do you position Opensea in the trading activities of encrypted digital collections, and which role do you prefer?What makes Opensea different from other NFT markets?Are there any shortcomings of Opensea that you think need to improve for now?

答:OpenSea是全球最大的数字资产开放市场。

我们为用户提供在整个区块链行业中浏览，购买/出售，拍卖和发现物品所需的一切。

我们为dapp提供直接支持，并成为其中许多的主要市场。许多dapp创作者对OpenSea感到兴奋的一点是，它不仅可以在首次销售中收取交易费，二次销售也不例外。

我们以用户为核心，并且通过Discord / Telegram每天都与我们的用户交流。多亏了他们，我们收到了许多有关如何改善我们的服务的反馈，例如简化拍卖系统和本地化。

我们有最大的数字资产收藏，并且我们为所有资产提供 English／Dutch竞拍。

我们还有一个产品经理，你可以在不编写任何智能合约的前提下创建新产品。同时也支持直接在你自己的网站中嵌入属于自己的交易市场。

此外，我们对所有链上的资产都有追踪，以便在创建时可以立即使用所有原数据对其进行查看。

OpenSea is the largest general marketplace for the world of digital assets with an open marketplace.

Our role is to give users whatever they need to view, buy/sell, auction, and discover items across the entire blockchain space.

We provide direct support to dapps and serve as the primary marketplace for many of them. One thing that many dapp creators get excited about OpenSea is the ability to collect transaction fees not just on the initial sale but also on secondary sales.

We’re user-focused and talk to our users every day through Discord/Telegram. Thanks to them, we’ve received lots of feedback on how to improve our service, such as simplifying the auction system, and localization.

We have the largest collection of digital assets, and we offer auction capabilities such as English or Dutch auctions for all assets.

We also have a storefront manager where you can create your own collection and mint new items without having to program any smart contracts. And allow you to embed your own marketplace directly in your own website.

Furthermore, we track every asset that is created on the blockchain so that it is instantly viewable with all metadata on creation.

问题二：为什么选择专注于NFT这个细分领域？您觉得NFT这个赛道的意义和潜力有多大？

Why would you choose to focus on NFT? What’s the meaning of NFT and how potential NFT may be in the future?

答：我们的核心是数字商品。

NFT（非同质化代币）是主要代表，但实际上我们也支持（semi-fungible tokens）半同质化代币。

NFT的核心价值在于它们是运行在区块链上的。任何人在任何时间都可以在世界各地进行NFT交易。没有欺诈风险，并且可以根据智能合约完全控制流通。而且由于经济界同意共享此去中心化数据库，因此任何人都可以与现有NFT进行交易。

例如，Decentraland是一个虚拟世界，其中每块土地都是一个NFT。如果没有在其上建造社区，那将毫无意义。但是去中心化使得Decentraland内有多家公司在构建体验和游戏，因此成为最让人信服的dapp之一。

我相信NFT很有潜力取代现有世界表现所有权的方式。甚至有可以，未来你可以通过NFT在真实世界中买卖房屋。

Our focus is on the idea of digital goods. Naturally, NFTs represent them. (In fact we also support semi-fungible tokens.) The main value of NFTs is where they live—on the blockchain. As you already know, anyone can instantly trade NFTs anytime, anywhere in the world. There is no risk of fraud, and circulation can be completely controlled depending on the smart contract. And thanks to the economy agreeing to share this decentralized database, anyone can interact with existing NFTs.

For example, Decentraland is a virtual world where each piece of land is an NFT. Without a community building on top it, it would be meaningless. But thanks to decentralization, there are multiple companies building experiences and games inside Decentraland, making is one of the most compelling dapps.

I believe there is very strong potential for NFTs to replace how the world represents ownership. One day you may even be able buy and sell houses in the real world via NFTs.

问题2.1: 好的，我不能确定这一天能不能到来，目前链上与链下确权还是存在不少问题需要解决，这是我的观点

OK, I'm not sure whether this day will come or not. There are still many problems to be solved in determining rights on and off the chain. This is my point.

答：区块链只是数据架构，仅仅是一种储存数据的方式，价值源自分散的信任。当我们谈论区块链改变社会的时候，其实我们讨论的并不是技术。

例如，传统的银行分类账本对市场运作有很大影响。但这不是因为技术本身，那只是笔和纸而已。

Blockchain is just a database architecture. It’s just a way of storing data. The value stems from the decentralized trust. When we talk about blockchain impacting society, it’s not directly related to the technology.

For example, traditional banking ledgers were very influential to the operation of markets. But it wasn’t because of the technology. That was just pencil and paper.

问题三：Opensea 获取盈利的方式除了交易手续费之外还有哪些？

In addition to the transaction fees, how does Opensea make money?

答：交易费用是我们唯一的收入来源，没有会员费用，广告费用等其他收入。

The transaction fees are our only source of revenue.

问题四：近期关于NFT有个大热点—两万张欧洲杯NFT门票将在以太坊上发行，这会出现在 Opensea 上发生转售吗？您觉得类似的应用或者哪些应用会极大推进NFT的发展？

Will 20,000 EuroCup NFT tickets issued on Ethereum appear on Opensea for resale? Do you believe this kind of use cases or what kind of use cases will be a killer for NFT adoption?

答：当然了！它们一旦发行，OpenSea上将很快出现。任何人人都可以购买，出售和拍卖他们的门票，就像OpenSea上的任何其他数字商品一样。这不是票证第一次被通证化。NYC会议也将门票作为NFT出售。

这是NFT取代传统的低效市场的一个很好的例子。每当一个新用例将现有经济转换到区块链上时，NFT都会变得更加强大。

由于我目前居住在东京，因此我很期待动漫/漫画IP的通证化。我认为这将为本已利润丰厚的IP商品市场带来更多利好。

看到你们钱包里的NFT，绝对是NFT价值的重大体现

Of course! As soon as they exist, they will be immediately viewable on OpenSea. Everyone will be able to buy, sell, and auction their tickets, just like any other digital item on OpenSea. This isn’t the first time tickets have been tokenized—the NFT.NYC conference also sells tickets as NFTs.

This is a great example of NFTs replacing a traditional, inefficient market (buying and selling tickets. Every time a use case is discovered to convert an existing economy to the blockchain, NFTs get even more powerful.

Since I currently live in Tokyo, one thing I noticed and would love to see is tokenization of anime/manga IP. I think it would be hugely beneficial to the already lucrative IP merchandising market.

Being able to see all your NFTs in your wallet is definitely a big deal for the value of NFTs

问题四： 作为最大的加密数字藏品市场，最看好的前三 Dapp 是哪些，为什么？

Opensea, as the largest encrypted digital collection market, what are the top three Dapps in your mind and why?

答：很难选出三个，所以我就讨论一下大部分Dapp在做的3个方向吧。

1.虚拟房产。比如，Decentraland，Crypeovoxels和Ethereum Name Service。基本上，这些dapp依赖社区在其平台上进行构建。 CryptoVoxels允许任何人在虚拟世界中建造自己的房屋。 ENS为每个人提供了为任何事物赋予特别名称的方法。

2.游戏项目。例如Gods Unchained和MyCryptoHeroes，这两个在交易量上是很靠前的。

3. 艺术品。例如Pascal Boyart和Josie的艺术作品。借助NFT，可以证明每个艺术品的所有权。

在这些DApp中，有许多投机者愿意为一件稀有的NFT付出大价钱，因为它们相信区块链可以保证它们的所有权。

基于区块链的话，你的所有权是可证明的，没人可以窃取。 当然，安全不仅只是基于技术。总有些人可以骗你，拿走你的资产。

It’s hard to pick three, so please let me discuss three general categories most dapps fall into.

1.Virtual real estate, e.g. Decentraland, Cryptovoxels, and Ethereum Name Service. Basically, these dapps depend on the community to build on top of their platform. CryptoVoxels let’s anyone build their own house in the virtual world. ENS gives everyone a way to give unique names to really anything.

2. Game items, e.g. Gods Unchained and MyCryptoHeroes, which are the top dapps in terms of trade volume.

3. Fine art, e.g. art by Pascal Boyart and Josie. Ownership of each art piece is provable thanks to NFTs.

For these dapps they are many speculators willing to pay large sums for a single rare NFT, simply because of the open market and excitement for the future.

问题五：如何看待目前以太坊 Dapp 的发展状态？造成该状态的原因会是什么呢？

How do you view the current development status of the Ethereum Dapp? What could be causing this situation?

答：社区仍在开发DApp的新用例，没有人知道这个新世界将把我们引向何处。

这单纯是因为大多数人不了解区块链的意义，更不用说dapps了。

无法落地的主要问题是缺乏加密教育和对钱包的需求。我们需要为新用户解决用户体验问题。

例如，您需要使用dapp浏览器像MetaApp或Trust钱包等，在dapp上进行操作。相比传统APP，用户体验是很差的。

在我参与过的所有dapp大会中，每个发言人都提到这点。我认为解决这个问题将成为大规模采用的最大障碍。

The community still developing new use cases for dapps, and no one is sure where this new world will lead us. This is simply because most people don’t understand the point of the blockchain, let alone dapps. The main problem with adoption is the lack of crypto education and the separate need for wallets. We need to solve the user experience problem for new users.

For example you need to use a dapp browser like MetaMask or Trust wallet to do anything on a dapp. The user experience is very poor compared to traditional app experiences.

At all the dapps conferences I’ve attended, every speaker has mentioned this. I think solving this problem is going to be the biggest hurdle for mass adoption.

问题六：除了交易市场，如何看待加密数字藏品其他的配套设施，例如 钱包、数据分析网站等？

In addition to the trading market, how do you view other supporting facilities for encrypted digital collections, such as wallets and data analysis websites?

答：有些钱包支持收藏品，这对于NFT来说非常友好。 Etherscan对开发人员而言是极好的资源。还有其他一些很好的项目，例如Uniswap，可以为经济提供流动性。

Some wallets allow you to view your collectibles, which is great for NFTs. Etherscan is a superb resource for developers. And there are other great projects like Uniswap which provide liquidity to the economy.

问题七：Defi也是以太坊热门的讨论话题，您觉得 NFT 与 Defi 是否有结合的可能？

Defi is also a popular discussion topic on Ethereum. Do you think it is possible to combine NFT and Defi?

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