专 业  Part 

Grace：最近USDT的价格暴动也引起了稳定币的风波。说白了还是信任的问题，稳定币第一的USDT价格暴跌，也引起了市场上其他稳定币项目的注意，GUSD，USDC，PAX等纷纷杀入市场，不知道您怎么看稳定币的？USDT还能够继续保持老大的地位么？如何能够建立起人们对稳定币的信任？

Omer：在金融领域，我们把一些东西加入到主安全中作为“甜味剂”。你可以向安全代币添加“甜味剂”，也可以让安全代币的购买者同时拥有实用性，所以你在一个产品中可以设计两种类型的代币。此外，一些项目对安全代币进行编程，比如你拥有安全代币，那么你就可以获得该公司产品和服务的折扣。这就像证券本身是安全性加上实用性。

我曾多次与中国证监会合作过各种项目，现在在中国做STO还为时过早。从技术角度讲，的确有一条路可以走，但还是需要一些时间。目前我们的项目主要遍布在美国、加拿大、百慕大群岛、马耳他等。

对于区块链行业上个月是一个非常重要的月份，GUSD和PAX解决了加密货币的三大问题：1、监管批准 2、托管 3、保险。它们获得了纽约政府的监管批准。

一些大的银行可以进行托管，解决存款和保险问题。对于合格投资者来说最重要的是通过这两种稳定币得到对于区块链和数字货币的信任，大家将会看在未来到很多资金进入到区块链市场。

我预测，在未来2到4年内，合规将会是区块链项目成功的最大因素。就像GUSD,PAX, STO, 都需要法律的支持。如果你想玩大笔资金，投资者会要求法律遵从。

Grace:The price of USDT is droppedlow, this must be a trust problem. Because first stable coin USDT has plummeted,stable coin gets attention from the market. Other stable coin like GUSD, USDC, andPAX jump into the market fast. What do you think about stable coin? Can USDTkeep the position of stable coins? How to build trust for stable coin?

Omer:In the financial field, we call for adding something to the main safety as a sweetener. You can add a "sweetener" to a safe token, and you can also let the buyer of a safe token get a practical token at the same time, so you can make two types of tokens in one product. In addition, some programs program security tokens, such as if you have security tokens, and you get a discount on the company's products and services. It's like the security itself is safety plus practicality.

I have dealt with CSRC many times forvarious projects. It's still too early for STO to be done INSIDE China.Technically, there is a path to do it. But will take some time for it to besomething you can do domestically. Our projects go to US, Canada, Bermuda,Malta, etc...

Last month was a VERY VERY importantmonth for Blockchain. GUSD and PAX solved THREE major problems forcryptocurrencies.The Three Problems they solved: 1.Regulatory Approval, 2. Custody, 3. Insurance.Regulatory Approvalby New York government. Which is a major government for finance. Also, the fiatbacking these two stablecoins is kept in custody in a major bank. Plus there isinsurance on these deposits. These three things are very important for biginvetors to trust Blockchain and cryptocurrency.I predict thatregulatory compliance will be one of the BIGGEST factors for success for Blockchainprojects over the next 2 to 4 years. Just like GUSD, Just like PAX, Just likeSTO. They all involve Law. If you want to play in big money finance, theinvestors will demand legal compliance.

Grace：听说您在科技、房地产、消费品、工业项目上有丰富的业务经验，更是优客工场的联合创始人，在您从业多年涉及的这些行业和项目中，是否存在您觉得非常适合区块链改造的行业或企业？近三年您看好的区块链应用方向有哪些？您在区块链领域的投资准则是什么？

Omer：是的，三年半前我在北京联合创立了共享办公空间优客工场，现在发展的非常迅速，已成为独角兽公司。目前在优客工场的深圳，新加坡和纽约办公室有很多的区块链公司入驻......很多热门的行业已经进入到区块链中，包括医疗和房地产。

我其中一个投资逻辑是把好的投资项目介绍给我的朋友们，大家一起参与到项目中，我的朋友们也会把他们的好项目介绍给我。未来的1到2年内我们会为优客工场做IPO的准备，IPO和STO是相同的过程，但STO并不像IPO那么复杂，STO规模更小，费用更少，时间也更快。

我认为最重要的一点就是有一个强大的管理团队。第二，这取决于它是证券型代币还是实用型代币。如果是实用型代币，应用场景和流动性是最重要的。2014年和15年最早的ICO项目的流动性也很小，但到了2016，才真正开始增长。到了2017，ICO的项目公司已经比IPO和很多大公司的估值更高。STO的流动性需要时间去增长，但是我坚信在未来STO的增长速度一定是迅速的。

Grace:We heard that you’re reallyexperienced in technology，real estate, consumer goods,and industrial projects. You are also the co-founder of Ucommune. All theindustries and projects that you have been involved in this past years. Do youthink traditional companies can entre blockchain area? which direction inblockchian you looking for? What is your investment strategy for the blockchainproject?

Omer:Yes, I co-founded Ucommune 3.5 years agoin Beijing. Now it's gotten pretty big.We have a lot ofBlockchain projects inside UCommune, especially in Shenzhen, Singapore and NewYork offices.We see Blockchain entering many industries we like. Allthe major technology sectors, including Health Care. Plus major asset classeslike Real Estate.That's oldhistory. No problem now.We will do IPO for UCommune over next 1to 2 years. This is same process as an STO. But STO doesn't need to be as bigas an IPO. It can be small too.

First, I always look for a strongmanagement team with a track record. This is the most important thing.Second, it dependsif it's utility token or security token.If Utility Token,then It's those projects that are close to USE CASE. Meaning, they are close tohaving a USE. Plus we look for Liquidity event (i.e. when will it starttrading).Security Token I also look for strong management team.plus I look for financing or revenues and high growth potential. It doesn'thave to be a blockchain project.I prefer UtilityToken for now. But Security Token will get bigger and bigger and be more andmore reliable. But it will take some time to get liquidity for Security Tokens.That's why I like Utility Tokens currently.But the early STOprojects we have coming will have some MASSIVE upside potential. Because theyare the earliest.Liquidity for the earliest ICO projectswere also small to start with. They came out in 2014 and 2015... but then by2016 they really started to grow. By 2017, they were bigger than even IPOs andmost major companies in valuation of tokens.

Grace：区块链火爆了一段时间后，从18年至今可以说都是熊市，6月份曾爆发过一次短暂的小牛，11月份的行情又该如何迈步？目前圈内人士普遍看涨的情绪强烈。您如何看？区块链熊市的生存法则您觉得是什么？上次访谈您说，中国对区块链政策会越来越开放，明朗，您预计会在什么时间实现呢？

Omer：如果你尝试在2017年购买ETH和比特币…这和在2014和2015年买完全不一样，不一样的风险，不一样的收益。我们帮助早期的STO项目快速发展。在未来的几个月整个市场会有小波回升，但是大市场依旧会是熊市...

我认为接下来几个月会有一个小的波动，但它将继续维持熊市的时间更长。

当STO开始在2019年取得一些牵引力时，我们将再次看到一些重大的动作，我的许多来自华尔街朋友将携更大的资金进入市场。火币也投资了LEX，是我们的投资伙伴。3周前，我与李林和火币其他高管一起前往海南岛与海口政府会面，目的是为了帮助海南了解区块链、了解加密货币。

我们也看到了一些变化，在海南科技区，你现在可以访问脸谱网和谷歌。另外，随着时间的推移，我们也将看到中国区块链方面的一些发展，因为中国一直是创新的有力支持者。

Grace:After the bull market, thebear market starts 2018. This year in June has a short-term bull market. Whatdo you think about the market in November? Most people think is bullish. How tosurvival during the bear market? You said China will open the regulations forblockchian, do you know when?

Omer:If you try to buy ETH and Bitcoin in 2017...that's different than buying in 2014 and 2015. Different risk. Differentreward. We helped STO's early projects have the potential to grow because it was the earliest.I think we willhave a small bump over next several months.. but it will continue to remain aBear Market for a while longer.

 私 人 区 

Grace：我们都知道，你的职业扮演有非常多的角色，比如说，律师、海外业务合伙人、天使投资人等等，那么你最喜欢的一个职业角色是什么呢？是什么原因让你选择了这个职业赛道？符合自己的价值追求吗？在这个赛道上遇到过什么暴击？选择区块链的契机是什么？是否又展望过自己的未来？

Omer：从1991年来到中国，到1996年开始和俞敏洪，徐小平在中关村做孵化器，我喜欢冒险。我在90年代互联网大潮里摸爬滚打过，现在选择区块链是因为我觉得它太像当年的互联网时代了，只是速度更快，更国际化。

有些人喜欢叫我浪哥因为我爱自由（开玩笑的）。实际上，我最喜欢的头衔是被称为“交易撮合者”。我喜欢做超级明星项目交易！而这也是为什么我在律师、投资者，和外国商业合伙人的角色中交替出现。

Grace:We all know, you have many titles, such as attorney, foreign business partner, angel investor, etc. whichis one is your favorite? What made you choose this professional circuit? Is itin line with your value? What blows have you encountered on this circuit?

Omer:There were some developments...... Over the past 2 weeks in Hainan tech area, you can now access Facebook and Google.Plus we will seesome developments over time for Blockchain in China. Because China is a bigsupporter of Innovation. But it will take some time for us in China to see this. Huobi invested LEX, is our investment partner. Three months ago, I wentto Haikou with Li Lin to discuss the opening of digital currency. I came toChina in 1991, and started to work with Yu Minhong and Xu Xiaoping as anincubator in Zhongguancun in 1996. I like adventure. I rolled around in theInternet boom of the 1990s, and now I'm choosing block chains because I thinkhe's too much like the Internet age, but faster and more international. Of course,my favorite is Free Dude, I love freedom.

Actually, my favorite title is"Deal Maker". I love to make SUPERSTAR DEALS! Superstar Projects.This requires my title as Attorney. And my title as Investor. And my title asForeign Business Partner.

I LOVE helping projects become BIGGERAND BIGGER.Actually, "Attorney" is a good title because inthe US, many of the Presidents like Lincoln, Nixon, Obama and Clinton (both ofthem) are Attorneys (lawyers). Also, many CEO's of US companies are Attorneys.We know how to usethe legal system to our advantage and the advantage for our clients.

Grace：你是在1996年经俞敏洪和徐小平介绍第一次到北京，在中关村成为新东方教育集团的国际律师。当时候对北京的第一印象是什么呢？2017年再回到北京，在真格基金做律师和海外合伙人，当时觉得北京最大的变化是什么？你走过世界那么多城市，你最喜欢的城市是哪一个呢？为什么？

Omer：上世纪90年代我和徐晓平、于敏洪一起共事的日子真是不可思议！那时候你们当中有一些人还没有出生，而我就已经在中国！北京是我在中国最喜欢的城市…因为这里有这么多老朋友，真兄弟！

我开始和老余和小平开始创业的时候，中关村还是土路。中国变化太大了，这二十多年我一路见证了她的变化，特别是北京，我很为北京骄傲。

Grace：你认为中国发展区块链的潜力大吗？目前有什么必须要解决的阻力问题？你的朋友们对待区块链的态度是怎么样的呢？

Omer：是的，中国肯定有很大的潜力，中国已经成为一些区块链领域的领导者。中国是一个具有先知力的国家，中国人喜欢新技术，也愿意接纳和投资。你看我们已经用微信和支付宝而不怎么再用现金了。

因此，在中国，我们已经在为区块链的未来做了很多事情——交易将是数字化的，而不是纸质的。我认为重要的一件事是认识到区块链中加密货币的重要性。加密货币可以以不好的方式被使用，可是它也可以以一个很好的方式出现并改变生活，这是区块链的关键部分。

当年我在北京创业，和现在的信念是一样的，虽然中国可能需要一些时间，但是就长线来说，在未来我相信中国政府和聪明的中国人，一定不会让这个机会溜走，因为中国人和我们犹太人一样，骨子里都是很好学的早期参与者（early adopter）。所以我相信区块链会在中国蓬勃发展。

Grace:You first arrived in Beijingin 1996, introduced by Yu Minhong and Xu Xiaoping, and became an internationallawyer for New Oriental Education group in Zhongguancun. What is your firstimpression on Beijing? Returning to Beijing in 2017 as a lawyer and partner inZhenFund, what was the biggest change in Beijing? Which one is your favorite city and why?

Omer:Those days in the 1990s with Xu Xiaopingand Yu Minhong were incredible!I was in Chinabefore some of you were born! Beijing is my favorite city in China...because so many old friends here. True Brothers!

Grace: Do you think China has great potential to develop in blockchain? What are the current resistance issues that must be addressed? What's your friends’ attitude to blockchain?

Omer:Yes, definitely China has great potential. It already is a leader for some areas of blockchain.China is a nationof EARLY ADOPTERS.... meaning, Chinese love new technologies.Already, we pay by Wechat and Alipay, not by cash. So in China, we already are doing things in away for the future of blockchain - where transactions will be digital insteadof paper.I think one thing that is important is to realize howimportant token is to Blockchain. Token can be used in a bad way. Yet token isalso used in a very good way. It is a key piece of blockchain.Having No Tokens inBlockchain, is like having No Internet Sites for Internet. The main motivatorfor use of the internet is not the internet technology or protocol. It's thewebsites delivering information to people. This is why people USE theinternet.... it's the main motivator. For informtation and communication. Justlike Tokens are a main motivator for people to use Blockchain technology.People need to havean application they want to use for technology to grow and be popular. Tokens are one of the key pieces of blockchain because of this.

In the long run, I believe that theChinese government and smart Chinese people will not let this opportunity go,because Chinese people, like our Jews, are inherently eager to learn earlyadopters. So I believe the block chain will flourish in China.

Grace：中国有句古话形容夫妻关系，叫做“夫妻本是同林鸟，大难临头各自飞”。你是否认同这个观点？为什么？你认为你的妻子在你的生活里扮演了什么角色？中国社会一般都是入乡随俗，你有遇到过特别神奇的中国社会习俗吗？跟岳父岳母的关系处得怎么样？你认为区块链的到来，会让婚姻变成可有可无的一张纸吗？

Omer：我已经是个中国人。我是你们的中国大兄弟。Sky和Dfund的兄弟们叫我老司机。我相信爱，不管在人生的高潮或低谷。（💗）

Grace:There is a Chinese old sayingto describe couple’s relationship “The couple united and enjoy each other’scompany from the beginning, but normally flew away separately when the disasterhappens.” Do you disagree and why? What role do you think your wife has beenplaying in your life? Chinese normally recommend “adjusting to local custom”,have you ever encountered any very special Chinese local custom? What’s yourrelationship like with your father and mother in-laws?  

Do you think that blockchainwill make marriage completely unnecessary?

Omer:I am already a Chinese. I am your big brother in China. The brothers of Sky and Dfund call me old driver.I believe in LOVE. No matter good time.Or bad time.

Grace：由哈佛大学教授塔尔班夏哈（TalBen-Shahar）所攥写的《更快乐》（Happier ：Learn theSecrets to Daily Joy and Lasting Fulfillment）中，以「正向心理学」说明了拼命三郎型的人们把达成目标当成衡量成就的标准，而不重视追求目标的过程，以致于他们无法享受所做的事情，老以为达到某个目标就能得到快乐。你觉得自己是一个拼命三郎吗？你怎么看待幸福的定义？最向往的生活是怎么样的呢？

Omer：是的，我是个工作狂。但是我也喜欢挑战和尝试新事物。我是绝对的拼命三郎，拼命工作，也拼命party。因为无论如何，我们都仅有这一次有限而宝贵的生命。

Grace:In the book Happier:Learn the Secrets to Daily Joy and Lasting Fulfillment, Harvard University Professor Tal Ben-Shahar, explained with positive psychology that workaholics think achieving their goals is the standard to define success, as a result,they cannot enjoy the things they are doing, and they thought just by achieving the goal can make them happy. Are you a workaholic? How do you define happiness? What ‘s your dream life like?

Omer:Yes I am a workaholic.But I also believein experiencing new things.I am absolutely desperate, I work hard, and I desperately Party. Because in any case, we have only this limited and precious life.

Grace：499小姐姐给你的第一印象是什么呢？上次来跟这次来最大的区别、感受是什么？你认为499区块链小姐姐们进步了吗？你所认为的完美社群是什么呢？你认为接下来，499小姐姐们应该往什么方向发展进步呢？再次给小姐姐们一点小建议吧。

Omer：在499小姐姐群当中，我的确感受到了强大的进步，所提出的问题比上次的还要精妙，这是一个超级棒的群体！我想我是第一个两次做客499接受采访的嘉宾，能为499小姐姐们服务是我的荣幸！

Grace:What’s the first impression you get from 499 girls? What’s the difference between last time you came here and this time? Do you think the 499 girls have made any progress? What’s your definition of a perfect community? Do you have any advice for the 499 girls to make more progress and improvement?

Omer:I really see the BIG IMPROVEMENT with 499 Girls. Questions even better than last time. This is an excellent group. Ithink I am the first guest to do TWO 499 Interviews. So it is my honor to servethe 499 Girls Group!